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WB Rte 3 traffic can no longer make a right onto the secondary slip ramp onto 476 North, it was the only relief valve to the incredibly congested WB traffic getting onto the primary ramp, impossible to get in that far right lane to get on that first ramp when getting on west bound the pike from the left.
The secondary slip ramp is a fantastic relief valve, poses no increased danger as only competing traffic for that ramp comes from east bound traffic turning on an infrequent green arrow. Its a silly new regulation.
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Babywheels (Invitado)
Glen (Invitado)
I see the sign and just ignore it. I'd rather get the $50 ticket for making an illegal right turn than pay $5000 to fix my car from the crash. Penn dot and Haverford Township need to remove the sign and pain lines on the street to allow this turn.
Suggest start calling Haverford everyday until the sign is removed.
eli (Invitado)
Santo (Invitado)
Havertown Commuter (Invitado)
H-Town forever (Invitado)
Anonymous (Invitado)
Sage (Invitado)
You've go a quarter mile from Glen Garry to get over to the right. What's so difficult about that? If you can't get to the right lane in all that time, another right turn 30 feet later isn't going to help.
Right turns are never allowed at a 90-degree intersection when there's a curved ramp for right turns preceeding it. (See westbound US1 at 252!)
Anonymous (Invitado)
Havertown Commuter (Invitado)
Sage:
there is a solid line of traffic in the far right lane heading westbound that extends from the NB 476 ramp to Eagle road from about 7:15 am until past 8AM. There is absolutely no way to make a left onto the Pike and get into that lane without, quite literally, cutting someone off and risking an accident, which I have had to do every morning for 2 weeks now.
However, just about 100% of the traffic in that jammed right lane is getting on the first NB 476 ramp, meaning that you can easily get over to the right lane just after the 1st ramp and before the second one (where you are now no longer allowed to turn), from the middle lane (NOT from the left turn only Lawrence road lanes)
BTW, it is not a curved ramp, it is a 90 degree turn for both WB and EB traffic getting onto that second slip ramp, so it was a perfectly legal turn until someone decided to put that sign up.
Anonymous (Invitado)
realitybites (Invitado)
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Anonymous (Invitado)
There He Is (Invitado)
Ryan_in_Radnor (Invitado)
Havertown Commuter (Invitado)
Apples and Oranges Ryan. The 30 & 476 intersection has a dedicated lane for about 100 yards AND no intersecting traffic light for well over 1/4 mile before it (route 320), there is absolutly no issue with getting into the right lane getting onto 476 North from 30. Completely different situation.
As for the federal funding, I'd like to see the section of the code mandating where a no right turn sign must be erected at a 90 degree right turn secondary on ramp or Federal Funds will be denied to a state/county/municipality.
There is nothing uniform about this intersection, if it were possible to get into the right lane without literally cutting someone off and nearly causing an accident, it would be a different issue. But people getting onto the pike at any point west of Eagle road are forced to either cut someone off and get the finger/honk road rage, or go past the intersection and do a U turn (not sure how this improves traffic flow for EB traffic) or ignore the newly errected sign. Even assuming you are correct about the funding issue, I'm confident that any review board would find this was an easy exception.
KellyStar (Invitado)
Oh please (Invitado)
Pender (Invitado)
Lake Speed (Invitado)
Experienced Driver (Invitado)
Wendell Young (Invitado)
Havertown Commuter (Invitado)
To experienced driver:
What proof can anyone provide, other than the middle fingers and people laying on their horn or following all the way up to the bumper of the car in front of them to dis-allow the safe and timely entrance into the right lane to get on the first (proper) ramp. Unless you get on WC Pike at some point east of Eagle road, you have to either "get lucky" and find an open spot to get in, or risk an accident or road rage by cutting someone off. I would GLADLY wait in the right hand lane for my turn instead of now either breaking the law by making a right onto the slip ramp, or doing a U-turn further up the pike to come back and make a legal left onto the slip ramp.
Luther (Invitado)
Havertown Commuter -- You sound like someone who is able to put together a coherent arguement, which is a pleasure compared to some of these rants. Please e-mail your complain to John Roman at Road Rant. He works for the Delco Times. Google him on their website. He has done a good job getting answers as to why Penn Dot does dumb things. Perhaps he can help you fix this problem. If you write with good English in a clear coherent way, he will probably feature this issue or at least respond to your e-mail. You can remain anoymous if you wish. Best of luck for us all! I'd like this answered too.
Luther
Havertown Commuter (Invitado)
Luther, I took you up and emailed him, have not heard back.
Still taking my life in my hands every morining by cutting someone off in the right lane if I get an opening or making the illegal turn onto the slip ramp.
H-Town 4ever (Invitado)
Steven Bloom (Invitado)
stucky (Invitado)